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		<title>By: Lance Knobel</title>
		<link>http://www.davosnewbies.com/2008/06/05/presidential-language/comment-page-1/#comment-260258</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance Knobel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 03:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your conclusion, Fred. No question. 

As I wrote, the Ethnologue data seems very conservative to me, but it is a standard. The Wikipedia page I link to has other estimates. For English, the native speaker range is from 309 to 375 million. 

Remember that there is a substantial US population for whom English is a second language. As I understand it, the Ethnologue count would not include those bi-lingual speakers. There are other counts for people who speak a language, whether it is their native language or not. The general rough figure for English then is 1.5 billion speakers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your conclusion, Fred. No question. </p>
<p>As I wrote, the Ethnologue data seems very conservative to me, but it is a standard. The Wikipedia page I link to has other estimates. For English, the native speaker range is from 309 to 375 million. </p>
<p>Remember that there is a substantial US population for whom English is a second language. As I understand it, the Ethnologue count would not include those bi-lingual speakers. There are other counts for people who speak a language, whether it is their native language or not. The general rough figure for English then is 1.5 billion speakers.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 03:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but those figures must be from long ago. The population of the US is now greater than the number shown for English. So that means the English-speaking Commonwealth has been omitted (Cananda, Britain, Australia, etc). World-side, a vast number of people are virtually bi-lingual in English and their native language.  

The number of speakers of Indonesian now includes almost all Javanese, which is a completely different language. The language you refer to is Indonesian/Malay, which includes about 15 million people in Malaysia, South Thailand and northern Sumatra (Indonesia). The total number of native speakers is about 150 million. But a further 100 million are virtually bi-lingual in Indonesian/Malay and their native language. 

I estimate that about 250 million people are either native speakers of Indonesian/Malay or are bi-lingual as is Obama. As you say Indonesian is not a minor language. 

Based on 25 years work in Indonesia/Malaysia, my belief is that because Indonesia is a different civilization, knowing the language broadens the mind far more than does knowing Spanish or French, both of which share linguistic and cultural roots with English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but those figures must be from long ago. The population of the US is now greater than the number shown for English. So that means the English-speaking Commonwealth has been omitted (Cananda, Britain, Australia, etc). World-side, a vast number of people are virtually bi-lingual in English and their native language.  </p>
<p>The number of speakers of Indonesian now includes almost all Javanese, which is a completely different language. The language you refer to is Indonesian/Malay, which includes about 15 million people in Malaysia, South Thailand and northern Sumatra (Indonesia). The total number of native speakers is about 150 million. But a further 100 million are virtually bi-lingual in Indonesian/Malay and their native language. </p>
<p>I estimate that about 250 million people are either native speakers of Indonesian/Malay or are bi-lingual as is Obama. As you say Indonesian is not a minor language. </p>
<p>Based on 25 years work in Indonesia/Malaysia, my belief is that because Indonesia is a different civilization, knowing the language broadens the mind far more than does knowing Spanish or French, both of which share linguistic and cultural roots with English.</p>
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